45 Replies Latest reply on Apr 23, 2018 10:17 AM by Mark Jackson

    GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

    Mark Jackson

      Hello everyone,

       

      Yes I know Quadro cards are the "officially supported" cards for SolidWorks and Visualize, and I have a P5000 in my #1 workstation. I want to upgrade another workstation and just thought I would ask for some opinions between the 1080 ti and P4000. The specs on the 1080 ti blow the P4000 out of the water on paper, and they can be gotten for about the same price.

       

      Your thoughts and opinions on this would be greatly appreciated.

       

      Thanks,

      Mark

        • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
          Rob Rodríguez

          If you're using the machine with the GTX card for CAD I would say no.

           

          This is the age old problem.  Gaming cards offer more performance than the CAD card but can cause issues with CAD software.  The CAD card costs more, but is more rock solid for CAD usage.

           

          Wouldn't it be great if Nvidia could give us a card that worked for both CAD and gaming at the gaming card price.  Us CAD people have been getting screwed by this for years.

          • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
            Chris Cunningham

            It is also my understanding the the "P" cards are able to make use of the de-nosier while the gaming cards are not able to. Something to consider if you are planning on upgrading the software.

              • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                Mark Jackson

                That could be Matt. I believe it is Pascal architecture is what the de-noiser needs. The 1080 ti has Pascal architecture. Maybe one of the SolidWorks guys can answer that for us.

                  • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                    Brian Hillner

                    Hi Mark - great to finally meet you in person @SWW. (Same with you, Matt!!)

                     

                    We never receive GeForce cards to benchmark test, but I did just receive a new Titan V. I can confidently say the new AI Denoiser will for sure work with that card, and likely any Pascal-based GeForce card. I have not tested any other GeForce card, so I cannot say which of generation of GeForce cards the new Denoiser will work with. If it follows the same compatability as the Quadro cards, then Kepler-based and Maxwell-based GeForce cards should also work with the Denoiser. You just have to have a minimum of 4GB ram on the GPU for the Denoiser to work.

                     

                    When the AI Denoiser is publicly available (2018 SP3), I would like for the Visualize community to help test the wide range of GeForce cards to comment on compatibility with the Denoiser.

                     

                    At the risk of being redundant, there is a time-bombed special of 30% off Quadro P4000, which is blazing fast with the new AI Denoiser:

                     

                    SAVE 30% off a Quadro P4000!! Visit the NVIDIA online store and use code P4000SWV30 if you’re located in the United States or P4000SWVEU if you’re in Europe, or purchase through PNY at www.PNY.com/SWW2018.

                • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                  Ron Bates

                  Upcoming denoiser is supported in Kepler series cards (with at least 4 GB of Video memory) and up.  So Kepler, Maxwell, and of course latest Pascal and forthcoming Volta are supported.

                   

                  To the original question of a Workstation class card VS a Consumer (gaming) class card... think of it this way...

                   

                  When you buy a workstation class card, you are paying for a lot more pre-release testing before the card even goes out the door, a support life-cycle (driver updates) in the range of ~10 years, actual bug fixes if needed, and continued testing and certification by NVIDIA and SW for years.

                   

                  All of this of course takes a lot of resources...

                   

                  When you buy a consumer class card, as my wife and I sometimes tell our 6 year old: "You get what you get, and don't get upset"

                   

                  Hope that helps

                    • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                      Mark Jackson

                      Agent 86 says to agent 99, "missed it by that much!" I have two workstations with K4000 cards that only have 3 GB video memory. Bummer. I use them to render static images with Visualize Standard.

                       

                      I was hoping someone in the Visualize community that does run a 1080 ti might chime in and let us know what their experience might be. I know several people who do use them for CAD with SolidWorks and say they work pretty darn good.

                    • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                      Dave Goetsch

                      Okay Mark, I'm a 1080 TI user (x2).  Here's a quick reference to Puget Systems speed tests of some Quadro cards in Visualize.

                       

                      pic_disp.jpg

                       

                      I'm running two 1080 TI's and my time for the above 1969 Camaro render is 77 seconds.

                       

                      Performance is much better than one Quadro GP100 @ $7,500.00 and nearly as good as two Quadro GP100's @ $15,000.00

                       

                      I bought my GeForce GPUs July of 2017 for $750.00 each so total cost $1,500.00 (yes, 1/10 the price!)

                       

                      I understand why many people want to use the officially supported cards but for me, a one man shop, it made no sense (cents?). I am a CADD guy too and I use Solidworks extensively. I've never had any problems running GeForce GPU's in Solidworks or Visualize. A simple registry hack enables RealView graphics for GeForce GPUs (they are fully capable) in Solidworks that DSS has chosen not to enable by default.

                       

                      Just my 2 cents........

                       

                      UPDATE:  I added (2) more 1080 TI's to my rig for a total of (4) and now my render time for the 1969 Camaro render is 38 seconds.

                      WoW.PNG

                       

                      Another interesting note is this. I ran the above render with just GPU. When I ran the exact same render in Hybrid mode using both GPU and CPU the render completed in the exact same amount of time, 38 seconds. This is with dual Xeon E5-2680's v3 with 24 cores and 48 threads. $4,000.00 worth of CPU's did not contribute to render times at all.  But, I also use other rendering programs that are CPU based and they run awesome on this box with those Xeons.....

                      • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                        Dave Bear

                        Just like Dave has mentioned, I too have been using the hack for almost two years now without issue.

                         

                        Dave.

                        • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                          Mark Jackson

                          Hi Guys,

                           

                          Nvidia emailed and said cards were in stock and would go on sale the next day late last week. So the next day I checked the site as often as I could. About 11:00 I checked and, "holy CUDA cores Batman!", the out of stock button was gone and click to buy was there! So I frantically click on 1080 Ti and put 2 in the cart (the max they allow), and clicked continue. The next page crashed. I tried this several times and crash, crash, crash. I tried again and it worked! I put in my credit card and clicked, and... Bam! "Sorry, but the 1080 Ti is out of stock."

                           

                          I looked at the lesser cards and a couple were left in stock. I thought about it but decided no, but... The TITAN Xp was still in stock. Hmm...

                           

                          I thought about it. I need cards. $1200 is the price you can get a 1080 Ti from places that have versions in stock like B & H Photo Video and some other reputable sites. Hmm...

                           

                          Bam! Bought two TITAN Xp cards at the Nvidia regular price of what 1080 Ti cards cost at the other sites (that you can actually get them from right now).

                           

                          So I'm anxiously waiting for 7680 CUDA cores to show up on my door step. They said shipping in 1 to 2 weeks. Each TITAN Xp has 3840 CUDA cores, 12 GDDR5X VRAM, with a memory bandwidth of 547.7 GB/s. Nvidia took my money, so the darn things better show up.

                          • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                            Mark Jackson

                            Hello Vizies,

                             

                            Well, I received my Titan Xp cards on Saturday and installed one in my workstation. We'll have to wait until I decide on which new motherboard I'm going to purchase before I can install the second and do some benchmarks with two in the machine.

                             

                            So, here's some benchmark results with the single card installed. I copied the settings used by Puget and used the Visualize supplied Camaro file.

                             

                            Both machines are running Windows 10 Pro.

                            Dell T5810 workstation:

                            Quadro P5000

                            Driver version 377.11

                            Xenon E5-1650 v4 (6 core, 3.6 GHz)

                            16 GB DDR4 RAM

                             

                            My custom build PC:

                            Titan Xp

                            Driver version 391.35

                            I7-2600K (4 core, 3.4 GHz)

                            32 GB DDR3 RAM

                             

                            1969 Camaro @ 1920 x 1080, GPU only, 1000 passes

                            Dell T5810:  244 seconds

                            Custom PC:  144 seconds

                             

                            The Titan Xp renders in 60% of the time it takes the Quadro P5000. This is consistent with other much more complicated render tests I did over the weekend. It's also 60% of the price of the P5000. So far, I think it's a great value for performance vs. cost when using Visualize. We''l see how it holds up over time.

                             

                            I'll let you guys know how it goes when I get a new motherboard and the second card installed in the machine.

                             

                            -Mark

                              • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                Brian Hillner

                                Hi Mark -

                                 

                                Thanks for updating this thread with your performance benchmarks of your new Titan Xp. Seems to be smokin'!

                                 

                                We rarely receive any GeForce cards for testing. Can you please follow the steps in this site to benchmark with how we at SW benchmark Visualize performance? Make sure you're using Chrome to download the .SVPJ, and read through all the paragraphs at the top of this site to keep your tests consistent. Look forward to your results!

                                https://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/visualize-hardware-benchmarks.htm

                                 

                                Thanks,

                                Brian

                                  • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                    Mark Jackson

                                    Sure Brian, I'd be happy to do that.

                                     

                                    -Mark

                                    • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                      Mark Jackson

                                      Hello Vizies,

                                       

                                      I completed the benchmark tests with the .svpj SW uses for their benchmarking at their specifications. In my testing, the Titan Xp trumped every card except the GPU 100 and Titan V. The Visualize version I used was 2018 SP 2. Here are the results.

                                       

                                      Veiwport FPS 960x540 @500 passes: 29.82

                                       

                                      Veiwport FPS 1920x1080 @500 passes: 7.72

                                       

                                      Offline Render 1920x1080 @500 passes: 1:08

                                       

                                      Offline Render 3840x2160 @500 passes: 4:31

                                       

                                      So far, I'm very, very, extremely, wonderfully, amazingly pleased with the performance of the Titan Xp in Visualize. I've only rendered out static images so far in the short time I've had it. Now on to some animations.

                                       

                                      The only thing that concerns me is that this is a consumer grade card, although a high end one, but how will it last when I'm running it full bore basically 24/7. Time will tell.

                                       

                                      -Mark

                                        • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                          Brian Hillner

                                          Thanks for posting your benchmark times, Mark. They are quite fast and I'm glad you're so impressed with the speed

                                           

                                          ...but how will it last when I'm running it full bore basically 24/7. Time will tell.

                                          There lies one of the potential drawbacks from consumer GeForce cards vs certified Quadro cards. Do let us know how you get on!

                                          • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                            Jeffrey Model

                                            Mark,

                                             

                                            I'd like to thank you for being a bad influence. I just bought a pair of Xps based on your post and will be starting a full build to go along with them shortly.

                                             

                                            I'll probably put my now-legacy P5000 in the box with them, which will basically bring the total performance up to about 2.2 Xps. Heh.

                                            • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                              Dave Goetsch

                                              I can only chime in with my own experience with GeForce GPU's. I've been running my dual 1080 TI's for close to a year now. My workflow is to stack renders in the queue all day long and then when I leave the office at night I start the queue. The cards go straight to 100% utilization and humm all night long. Haven't had one fail. Prior to my GeForce1080 TI's I ran dual GeForce GTX 680's 4GB for about four years. Same scenario, I beat those cards hard and never had a failure, nor have I ever heard of one failing due to such heavy usage.

                                               

                                              One nice side note. If you live in a cold area, your office will be very toasty when you come in in the morning.....  

                                               

                                              Looking forward to more benchmarks and usage experience from Mark and others!

                                              • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                                Jeffrey Model

                                                I finally got all of the parts in yesterday. There was a Tasmanian Devil-like whirlwind of motion in my workshop while the machine got built.

                                                 

                                                The machine is an i7-7820X with a pair of Titan Xps in it (to be supplemented by my now-obsoleted P5000 later on). I ran 1000 passes on the Camaro just now @ 1920x1080/Accurate/GPU-only. It took a mere 71 seconds. Outstanding!

                                                 

                                                The numbers to match the guidelines that Brian Hillner posted (with the bunkspeed sign linked from that page):

                                                Viewport 960x540@500 passes: 56.1

                                                Viewport 1920x1080@500 passes: 15.2

                                                Offline 1920x1080@500 passes: 0:35

                                                Offline 3840x2160@500 passes: 2:13

                                                 

                                                This is ludicrous speed compared to the previous arrangement of just a single P5000 in an external chassis. There was no thermal throttling during these quick tests, but I do see it in renders over 5min or so unless I manually turn the GPU fans up high. This should get resolved a few months from now when I add water cooling to the GPUs.

                                                 

                                                Mark, thank you for being such a great bad influence!

                                                 

                                                (the tests were run using Visualize 2018 SP02)

                                                  • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                                    Mark Jackson

                                                    Oh man those are great numbers. I'm still collecting the parts to build a new rendering workstation and get my 2nd Titan Xp in the mix. I'm jealous Jeffrey.

                                                     

                                                    So, since I seem to be such a bad influence, does that mean I'm on Santa's naughty list and will only get a lump of coal for Christmas?!

                                            • Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
                                              Peter Hildebrandt

                                              I´m just upgraded from GTX 680 (Kepler 4GB) to 1080Ti and did a little comparison.

                                              Project Render: 5000px/500passes/GPU only:  23min vs. 6.30min

                                              Viewport render of a complex Set with emissives,reflection,caustic,glas (accurate mode):  0.57 fps vs. 2.8 fps