31 Replies Latest reply on Feb 13, 2018 12:57 PM by David Matula

    Death to SW2019!

    Roland Schwarz

      Way past time to stop naming SW editions after year of issue. We don't need a new, mediocre release every year. Slow your roll, Dassault.

       

      Switch to version naming, which does not proclaim a version's perceived obsolescence in its own name. Space out new versions every two or three years. Take time to get it right. Let your user base defragment a bit and get more of them on the same version for longer stretches of time.

        • Re: Death to SW2019!
          Rob Edwards

          Probably the wisest post on this forum.. ever!

          • Re: Death to SW2019!
            Josef Kasik

            Good idea Roland Schwarz! Slowly, but better.. User does not have to upgrade every year.. And a lot of another benefits.

            • Re: Death to SW2019!
              Steve Calvert

              Perhaps, but don't you think there's a better effort this year to notice performance over gadgets?

               

              Steve C

                • Re: Death to SW2019!
                  Rob Edwards

                  Hi Steve

                  The way I see it is that there is a release every year but also 5 service packs.  What's that on average? - a new release every 9 weeks!  Surely that's incredibly inefficient for everyone involved

                    • Re: Death to SW2019!
                      Steve Calvert

                      Hi Rob

                      Every piece of software has service packs.  There's always something that needs updating or fixed AND new stuff gets pushed out there as well.  I know when we had Unigraphics, their updates were just that, simple updates and not a complete install of the version.  I wish SW could adopt that.  I don't really have a good argument one way or the other, hell, we're still on SW2015.

                       

                      Here's how I voted BTW

                       

                       

                      Steve C

                  • Re: Death to SW2019!
                    Dave Bear

                    I totally agree Roland, however I doubt the bean counters will

                     

                    Dave.

                    • Re: Death to SW2019!
                      Paul Salvador

                      ..so,.. they should call the next version...  "SW-DEATH"?    (kind of like it!... or, SWorks to Death?)

                      • Re: Death to SW2019!
                        Francisco Martínez

                        SolidWorks-BFE

                        Bug Free Edition

                        • Re: Death to SW2019!
                          Anna Wood

                          Roland Schwarz wrote:

                           

                          Way past time to stop naming SW editions after year of issue. We don't need a new, mediocre release every year. Slow your roll, Dassault.

                           

                          Switch to version naming, which does not proclaim a version's perceived obsolescence in its own name. Space out new versions every two or three years. Take time to get it right. Let your user base defragment a bit and get more of them on the same version for longer stretches of time.

                          DS has been working on that for years...  Why do you think they have been pushing the Catia v6 Lite, 3D Experience platform since 2010.

                           

                          DS would love that and all of us on monthly subscription with no access to our data if we do not pay up.

                           

                          Be careful what you wish for....

                            • Re: Death to SW2019!
                              Paul Salvador

                              ..ya know,.. whenever I see the logo (image).. to this day, I only see two letters.

                              bs.png

                              • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                Dennis Dohogne

                                Anna Wood wrote:

                                 

                                Roland Schwarz wrote:

                                 

                                Way past time to stop naming SW editions after year of issue. We don't need a new, mediocre release every year. Slow your roll, Dassault.

                                 

                                Switch to version naming, which does not proclaim a version's perceived obsolescence in its own name. Space out new versions every two or three years. Take time to get it right. Let your user base defragment a bit and get more of them on the same version for longer stretches of time.

                                DS has been working on that for years... Why do you think they have been pushing the Catia v6 Lite, 3D Experience platform since 2010.

                                 

                                DS would love that and all of us on monthly subscription with no access to our data if we do not pay up.

                                 

                                Be careful what you wish for....

                                Anna Wood, were you at SWW or did you see the general sessions?  They were touting their online version, 3D Experience, and it does look pretty promising in a lot of respects, but there are always pros and cons to every situation.  I find the potential for data-held-hostage to be a big con, but the pro of not having to install updates or dealing with differing versions to be very appealing.

                                  • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                    Anna Wood

                                    Not this year....   But I have been watching them try to get 3D Experience packaged into a product companies will want to purchase since the debacle of SWW 2010. That led to the mother ship taking control of SolidWorks and the departure of a lot of original SolidWorks people.

                                     

                                    It is Catia V6 technology built on an Enovia database.  DS is having a hard time selling to their Catia customers and are trying like hell to re-package and sell it to the SolidWorks community.

                                     

                                    Of course they are touting their online version.  Luckily for DS they have a crappy product, very few want, and have not barged forth with cutting off their customer base like Autodesk has, forcing Autodesk customers to find, very capable, solutions.  The DS balance sheet has been reaping the rewards of that mis-step.

                                     

                                    I am not anti-subscription based software.  I happily pay Adobe money every month for my subscriptions to their products.  There has to be value there and DS, along with the entire mainstseam CAD industry, hasn't figured out that out yet.

                                      • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                        Mark Biasotti

                                        Never going to happen guys (+gal-Anna) - It all about the $$ (subscription services.) From a financial standpoint it doesn't make sense for Dassault to do this.

                                         

                                        Just my 2 cents.

                                          • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                            Elmar Klammer

                                            Hi Mark,

                                             

                                            That's the part I don't understand. The idea would be to get rid of major version updates but still maintain subscription revenue. I am not against yearly subscription. I am against unnecessary short life cycles. Say you maintain Version compatibility but change the licensing structure from "never ending" to "yearly". Subscription wouldn't change. Neither would their ability to penalize skipped subscriptions.

                                            But it would make dealing with the software much easier for all others. Windows does it, I know it happens with Acrobat DC, Office does it.

                                            So all in all it's not new.

                                            I am certain it also has something to with Power. Anyone knows that switching a CAD system is costly, difficult and almost impossible from a business side. That's the power SW has and that unfortunately makes SW inefficient and lagging behind.

                                            I haven't seen a big shift in performance over the last decade. The speed in drawings & complex models has trickled up maybe a little but by no means improved in strides. Instead we are bombarded with often redundant feature additions that seem to be new but are essentially existing code that is packaged into a new (bigger) button. Real new ground breaking functionality has been far & in between. And that's why I think this yearly release of new Versions has nothing to do with technology but with poor business fundamentals.

                                            Maybe it's more difficult to maintain older code as you move forward with enhancements. I don't know.

                                            Not to mention the latest tendency for all those new packages. Honestly I don't know much about it. But I don't think this is helping our cause.

                                            Now it's not all negative. No, but realistically speaking, SW pads itself on the back much more than is justifiable.

                                             

                                            Elmar

                                          • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                            Adrian Velazquez

                                            From my perspective the main problem is they are developing ans marketing the 3DX stuff  as COMPETING product to SolidWorks Desktop (SWD). Ever since Mechanical Conceptual and Insdustrial Designer, some of us where excited about those, then they mention the price tag, and the fact that they are not compatible with SWD. Why would anyone in their right mind pay more for those than SWD Professional?

                                             

                                            Now they have xDesign (100% Browser) and 3DX SW Product Designer which is a Hybrid Installed software that is compatible with xD but not SWD. They are competing packages priced individually... now the Customer has a really valid rea$on to evaluate On and Fusion as alternatives if they really wanted to leave SWD.

                                              • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                                Paul Salvador

                                                Adrian... yeah, it's as if they are trying to make the customer choose or go elsewhere... very different marketing technique now a days..

                                                  • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                                    Dennis Dohogne

                                                    Paul Salvador wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Adrian... yeah, it's as if they are trying to make the customer choose or go elsewhere... very different marketing technique now a days..

                                                    I had the opportunity to talk to several of the guys at the top of the software development side of SWX about the online version of the software.  I've had most of a week to dissect and digest what they said and what they didn't say.  These guys ALL said, one way or another and independent of each other, that they were going to go where the customers want them to go.  They do not have an agenda to replace the desktop version unless years from now that is what the customer base wants (I doubt the desktop version will go away for quite a long time if that is the case).

                                                     

                                                    For me, the online version has some interesting possibilities and benefits, but I'm not willing to make the leap to that version.  Maybe in a year or two it will be much farther along with a bidirectional path with the desktop version.  THAT would eliminate a lot of risk for us and they'd be much more likely to get people to consider it, but I don't know if that is in the plans.

                                          • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                            Nikhil Phatak

                                            Way past time to stop naming SW editions after year of issue. We don't need a new, mediocre release every year. Slow your roll, Dassault.

                                             

                                            Switch to version naming, which does not proclaim a version's perceived obsolescence in its own name. Space out new versions every two or three years. Take time to get it right. Let your user base de-fragment a bit and get more of them on the same version for longer stretches of time. 

                                            Roland Schwarz 

                                            I completely agree & I think

                                            Solidworks should be able to make its own space in Design and not the general purpose software which is always used as an option.(Only advantage of Solid-works is being easy, user friendly & cost, compared to others) & as a design engineer, for me its OK not to have thousands and lacs of features and magic tools but i will be pleased if whatever tools i have are completely robust, bug free and crash free and straightforward without any workarounds.[So Swx 2010 or Swx-2020 or Swx 2200 doesn't matter we are also fine with Swx-10,000 B.C.].

                                            Anyway I  am a complete fan of SolidWorks and all of its products and I really appreciate the efforts and contribution of SolidWorks towards design. But "Good Job" will always be the most dangerous statement to hear from anybody isn't it

                                             

                                            Nikhil

                                            • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                              Rohit Rajan

                                              it will go on deaf ears! blind eyes..

                                              • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                                Vladimir Urazhdin

                                                Excellent idea! I'm just curious to know the opinion of Dassault Management Team about this topic.

                                                • Re: Death to SW2019!
                                                  David Matula

                                                  If there was not new version I would not get to see my var at the rollout...It is about the only time I get to see them unless they show to a user group meeting. 

                                                  all the great new stuff that they keep coming out with also that I will hardly ever use, cause I'm getting old and set in my ways.  Things like mouse jesters come to mind.  Now neat new things like a hole wiz I like that and ohhhh when they came out with weldments....that was great....